makes us powerful. all of these technologies, paralyze and we must secure them. and things like going to the atm machine to do standard banking and all sorts of things we sort of take for granted, the supermarket scanners could be affected by a cyber attack. >> everything you do depends on information security and if you don't have it, there's little you can do. in 2007, some hackers attacked the country of astona where 97% of the people do lelectro electronic banking and the country was crippled for a couple of weeks. >> mike: just this week hackers had gotten into the wall street journal, new york times and i'm sure when they got to the new york times they didn't find anything worthwhile, but they got into and into the accounts of former presidents, bush 41, bush 43. that's scary stuff. the gate code to former president bush's house, they were able to hack that. i mean, that's kind of frightening, isn't it? >> well, let me frighten you some more. our secure defense information systems are sometimes in